The terminating line: Interview with "Fuzzy"

Every now and again in this field we are confronted with truly strange data. The word "paranormal" comes, I think, a bit too easily to our lips regarding much of what happens during many bigfoot encounters. See the discussions of infrasound for more on that.

But so long as I've mentioned infrasound, I'd like to talk about elephants too. Many years ago, people who studied elephants noticed that there were times when an entire herd of elephants would begin to run off as one, without the observer noticing any particular signal passing between them. It wasn't as if one began running and the others saw it and followed suit. They would all begin running at once. There was no explanation for this. And while I don't know whether anyone dared to say it, some people must have thought, "Well, look at that, elephants have got esp or something!" The only explanation available at the time was something we considered paranormal. It wasn't until the discovery that elephants use infrasound to communicate -- infrasound being sound too low for humans to hear with their ears -- that scientists came up with an answer for why elephants behaved in that seemingly non-ordinary fashion. They were sending signals to one another, but in a range that we couldn't hear. There was missing data.

I'd like for you to remember that as Fuzzy tells his tale. The data he gives is stark, and it implies what we think is impossible. Either the business was a complete hoax, and Fuzzy gives his assurances that he could find no evidence of this, or the whole world a whole lot stranger than we thought.

My guess is that there is something about the world that we don't understand yet. I think there is missing data. And I think, whatever this missing data turns out to be, it will explain what is happening in a way we can't imagine just yet, the same way infrasound explained how the elephants behaved. In the text of the interview, I will mention some speculations that science is toying with, and how these could relate to the problem of the terminating line of prints. But remember that I'm speculating there. I have no idea how this all works out. But I remain convinced that there is nothing paranormal in the world, only things that we do not yet understand.

The word paranormal could use some defining here, in our context. I'm familiar with the dictionary definition, which is precise, but this does not capture the whole meaning of the word and the way it is used. To me, paranormal means magical; it means breaking the rules of physics, circumventing the laws of nature. I don't think any laws are being broken. I think, as in the case with elephants and infrasound, we just don't have the whole picture yet.

Fuzzy

Fuzzy has been a researcher for many years, going back into the 1960s. He is a keen observer. He is soft-spoken and very precise. Talking to him was a true pleasure because he seems like a genuinely nice fellow. And he has seen quite a bit in his years in the field, but I'll bet most of you don't even know who he is. There must be hundreds of people like Fuzzy out there, people who took an interest early on and who got out and started looking. Maybe a lot of them lost interest over the years and we'll never know what they learned in their investigations. But Fuzzy never lost interest. He's still going out on expeditions today. Whatever we think of Fuzzy's theories about what happened, or about what is possible -- because he is very comfortable with the paranormal -- we ought to thank him for not turning away from the seemingly impossible facts he was confronted with. Many researchers would have, as the infamous anecdote of René Dahinden walking away from a similar line of unexplained terminating tracks illustrates. We have a natural tendency to disbelieve what we think is impossible. But like the silent call of the elephants shows, sometimes we just don't know what's really possible yet.

So, without further adieu, here is part one of my interview with Fuzzy.


DB: What I'm most interested in at this moment, is that line of footprints in the snow -- and you mentioned some other things about that line of prints that I don't even know about, and I'll want to get into that also, the arrangement of holes in the prints? You know what I'm talking about?

Fuzzy: I sure do.

DB: That'll be a complete revelation to me. What I want to know is, I know that you followed a line of footprints and they just ended, but what I don't know, and what I'd like to get on record, is, what were the conditions.. when they ended was there any tree cover that.. you know, could it have jumped up into a tree or something like that, or was there something that they could have jumped over to? Because we've seen this kind of thing before, and in the previous cases, the way they are described is that the prints just end, in the middle of nowhere they end, and there's no explanation at all. Except something ridiculous, like a helicopter picked it up or whatever.

Fuzzy: Well first of all you need to know that I'm approaching this subject from a wide open eyed paranormal approach. I've been on many single and group bigfoot excursions, and I've noticed that there's a distinct reluctance, or even acrimony in various bigfoot group discussions, you know, sitting around the campfire..

DB: Right.

Fuzzy: When the paranormal aspect is introduced, it’s as if the participants insist on bigfoot being a simple animal, like a dog, or an aardvark..

DB: Yes.

Fuzzy: As soon as you introduce something that is a little bit beyond comprehension, they actually get angry about it. They want to challenge you on it, and this is silly. When you are in the field investigating reports and you come face to face with the unknown, instead of discarding the evidence, if you’re a dedicated enthusiast you must gather that evidence and incorporate it into the mass of the other data that you are analyzing. Otherwise you’re not doing the job right; it’s incomplete. So, here we go on this, okay? This was in Maryland, many years ago, just outside of Baltimore.

DB: Okay.

Fuzzy: So to set the scene for you, visualize a country road with a farmhouse sitting on the side of the road. It had snowed overnight, so there was anywhere from 6 to 9 inches of snow all over the place there. And when we arrived at the house, we went across a creek, a small gully, and turned into the farmer’s driveway. There’s a power line right of way running along that gully, and off into the distance behind the house. As soon as we arrived there, their collie dog started barking at us. He was inside a 10’ x 10’ chain link fence in the back yard..

DB: Uh huh..

Fuzzy: The night before, he had not made a sound. But you couldn’t even get into the yard without him starting barking, and he barked the entire time we were there, which was well over two hours. He kept barking..

DB: Right.

Fuzzy: Angry that he couldn’t get at us. So that’s something to plug into the back of your mind. That he hadn’t made a sound the night before.

DB: Okay.

Fuzzy: The footprints that the farmer was concerned about suddenly appeared in the middle of the yard right next to that dog’s cage. And again, this is part of this: that dog had never made a sound the night before during the snow. These footprints started about 30’ from the dog’s cage. They started on one foot, as though the creature making the footprint had stepped off of a helicopter, to use the word you used earlier. It had stepped down onto one foot, it just began. And they walked across the yard to a point about 10’ from the dog’s cage, and they turned right and they walked over to that power line right of way, and the gully. The gully where the creek ran through was about 10’ deep, and because it was water filled, or ice filled in this case, there were shrubs and saplings and whatnot, sticking up out of it to 10-15’ in the air. And because it had snowed, each of those branches were covered with a fine cap of snow all along the branch. The footprints ended at the near side of the gully, as though they were walking along and they jumped down into the gully. We looked in the gully, and the snow was not disturbed. We looked at the branches, and they were not disturbed. We walked back out to the street and around the gully, and back into the neighbor’s yard, and here they started again. And as I remember, the first footprint in the farmer’s yard was a left foot. As it approached the gully, the last footprint was a right foot. On the other side of the gully it appeared again, exactly in line with the other footprints, with the left foot. And it proceeded to walk across the back of the yard to the neighbor’s house, where the garbage can had been overturned on the ground. And we knocked on the door and the neighbor came out, and they had had pork chops the night before, and there were no pork chops in the trash or on the ground. So, presumably, the animal had upended the trash can, without making any noise now, and picked through it, found the pork chops, and either consumed them or took them with him, and he proceeded to walk around the house and out onto the snow covered road and down the road.

DB: Okay.

Fuzzy: So we wondered, now, wait a minute, how did he get across this gully without disturbing the snow on the trees? Did he jump, what, 20’ in the air over the gully? And land on one foot on the other side? It’s kind of impractical to even think about him doing that. But I suppose he could have done it if he could have leaped prodigiously like that. He certainly didn’t jump down into the gully. The snow was undisturbed, and the branches all still had snow on them. So that’s the second part of this thing, but it gets even better.

DB: Really!

Fuzzy: We backtracked it back to the first left footprint, and we looked along that line trying to find more footprints, and there weren’t any more in the yard. We came to the end of the enclosed yard area where there was a line of saplings. Of course this was mid-winter and they were all leafless, sticking up in the air 20-25’ or so. And they, too, had snow on all their branches, and they looked completely undisturbed. On the other side of the line of saplings there was a six-rail wooden pasture fence with a sit-rail on the top of it. And that sit-rail had 6 or 7” of snow on the top of it, and it had been undisturbed. We looked out into the pasture, there was about a 5 acre pasture there, and on the other side of the pasture was a row of Christmas trees, there was a Christmas tree farm way back there. And we looked out into the pasture, looking for footprints, and sure enough, way out in the pasture, there was something in the snow. We climbed the fence and out into the pasture, being careful not to step into the line with the footprints, and here was a line of the footprints coming toward the house. Now these footprints were about 15” in length, and they were rather wide. They were human shaped but they were wide.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: About 7”, as I remember, across the ball of the foot. And 15” long. And they were five toed. Standard human configuration with the array of toes across the front. And they were walking in this new snow. They had come from the power line right of way, the clear cut underneath the power poles. They had come off of that, and had come marching directly across the pasture. They got about half way across the pasture, which was somewhere, oh I don’t know, over 100’, heading directly toward the house, and then from one footprint to the next, they terminated.

DB: Wow.

Fuzzy: There was no next footprint. The creature had not.. there was no chance that the footprints had gone backwards, that he or she had retraced the steps in the footprints. These footprints were crisp and clear in newly fallen snow overnight.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: But they terminated. And it was over 100’ from there, over the six-rail fence and over the saplings, to the next footprint. In a straight line.

DB: So unless the guy has got wings.. (laughing)

Fuzzy: Yeah, or the helicopter. Which would have made noise of course, and you’re introducing yet another factor, which isn’t paranormal, but..

DB: It’s crazy.

Fuzzy: (laughs) Extremely un-normal!

DB: Yes!

Fuzzy: So how.. what the heck. Here are four or five of us standing out in the middle of the field, looking at this line of footprints, and we literally couldn’t believe what we were seeing. They marched across the field just like our footprints did, but they suddenly terminated, and they reappeared on the other side of a fence and a line of trees over 100’ away.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: Oh, and it was the next footprint. It was the right footprint and there was the left footprint in the guy’s yard, and the same thing when it went across the gully. We tried backtracking it, but in the clear cut it was too rugged and rough, and had been blown so much by the blowing snow, that we couldn’t backtrack it very far. But that’s where the footprints came from. So that’s the paranormal aspect of it. Now, the other people in the group that I was with were anxious to get on to the next sighting. That particular winter, there had been at least 39 sightings in that area. And we were chasing all over upper Maryland and lower Pennsylvania, trying to track these things down, and there were some very, very interesting cases in that group, too. But we had tracked this character with a topo map of that particular county down and in a line toward where we were now. This was the last and the closest to the Baltimore beltway that we got. There were 11 of them total, we think, that were all the same creature. We have really no way of telling, but because all the footprints were roughly the same. Other areas around there the footprints were totally different. Some were 19” long and only had three toes.

Fuzzy's topo map

DB: Hmm!

Fuzzy: But this character had five toes and a 15” footprint, and the footprints were roughly similar all around there. I still have that topo map, by the way, which is very interesting to look at. Anyway, now the paranormal has entered the scene. And the other people there just wanted to kind of shine it on and say, well, I don’t know, maybe he flew, or maybe he jumped that far. I mean, over 100’ now?

DB: Yeah.

Fuzzy: It’s one thing to think about him jumping across the gully, but 100’? Over 20’ tall saplings, without knocking any snow off of them? It just leaves you standing there in the snow, scratching your head with the hair on the back of your neck standing up a little bit.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: They all wanted to leave, but I wanted to look more closely at the footprints, and that’s where we get into the second part of this. The second part of, what I call “the little things” that we look for. I am at the moment primarily a retired salesperson. I’ve been a salesperson for forty years, in management and company ownership and so on, but I’m retired now, so I’m primarily a bigfoot enthusiast. As I mentioned I’ve been on excursions and expeditions and so on. I have no academic credentials, I’m just a perennial student. But I formerly was a paranormal researcher, UFOs, back forty or fifty years ago, bigfoot, ghosts.. I hosted discussion and experimental groups in several cities, and we did remote viewing experiments, and table tipping, that sort of stuff. So I feel comfortable when I’m encountering.. the “mystic” let’s call it.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: And these footprints were mystic, just in the fact that they terminated. But the other aspect of it was this: visualize a 15” long footprint, 7” across, five toes across the front of it, flexing in snow. You could see that they were real footprints. Some of them were different in shape than others. But from the midpoint of the footprint, back around the heel, and up the other side to the midpoint of the footprint, there was an array, a peculiar arrangement, let’s call it, of holes in the snow, around each footprint in this interrupted trail. Now it’s a small item, to be sure. One would think that maybe snow fell off his body or something. But it’s one thing that a hoaxer, wearing fake feet and tromping through the snow, would never have thought of. You know, what are these holes doing in a U shaped form around the back of each footprint? Other people might have thrown the idea away, but to me it confirmed the reality of the prints, simply because it was something that a hoaxer would not have thought of.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: Back in the ‘50s, UFO reports sometimes described the “falling leaf” manner in which some objects, or saucers if you will, dropped down through the air when they were descending. They looked like a falling leaf. They swing from one side to the other.. and here I am waving my hand in the air in front of myself as I’m saying this!

DB: (laughs)

Fuzzy: And for a while, that falling leaf pattern was held privately between researchers, Leonard Stringfield, Gray Barker, and other researchers. It was held as a fine point that hoaxers might not think to include in their tales, until later when it became widely known. So for a while, that falling leaf pattern was used to indicate a real UFO report. “Oh, if the craft behaved in a falling leaf manner, then it must be real,” that type of thing. So here you have an array of holes around the heel of each footprint. Now the location, and the size, and the depth of the holes was different in each footprint. But most of them were large enough and deep enough to run a standard pencil down into.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: Again, this might have been overlooked by most people who were already struggling with the idea of a disappearing line of prints, but to me it was one of the little things that could confirm the reality of the event. What could have made the holes? I figured this -- we thought about it for quite a while and then came up with this theory. The temperature the night before when it was snowing was around freezing. And it was snowing hard. So the snow that landed on the creature’s warm head and shoulders and body melted. And then it ran down the long winter body hairs, to the bottom of his legs, where it got cold enough to freeze again into long, skinny icicles around the hairs. So that when he stepped into the snow, he was wearing this sort of bell-bottom affair of icicles on his hairs.

DB: Uh huh!

Fuzzy: And the icicles stuck down into the snow around his heels, creating random holes. In the next step the holes were in a slightly different position, maybe some of them had broken off. They were a different size, or maybe didn’t even appear again. But what hoaxer would have thought of that?

DB: Right.

Fuzzy: And how else could those holes have been made? And we found them on all the footprints that we found on that trail. They had that collar, if you will, of random holes, and when he stepped forward, the holes had a slot or a drag forward, which is exactly what you’d get if you stuck an icicle down in the snow and then moved the foot forward; you’d have a sort of a slot..

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: .. as the ice came out of the snow. Now there have been other mystical facets of cryptid research over the years. Mostly they are tiny little items that for the most part have become part of the mounting archive of evidence accumulated by organizations and individual researchers like myself. For instance, the fact that the collie dog, a very intense guard dog, and a couple of other investigations that we were on in Maryland that year, had extremely intense and savage guard dogs guarding these farms. One of them tried to bite through the radial tires of my BMW when I pulled into the driveway!

DB: Yikes!

Fuzzy: But the fact is that they usually hide when bigfoot is nearby. They refuse to encounter him, or attack him. They hide under the house, or under the chicken coop or someplace, they don’t make a sound. And yet the next day they are back to their usual behavior. Like I said, when I pulled into the driveway they were back to their savage attitude.

DB: Yeah.

Fuzzy: Or Dr. Jeff Meldrum’s rather exhaustive analysis, in his book Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science, his analysis of the unique mechanics of the sasquatch foot, which is a structure which is different than the human foot, as I’m sure you are aware, which explains many seemingly partial footprints, as if it’s just the front part of the foot, and the extreme climbing ability the creature has, because of the way the foot articulates. It splits in the middle, he can walk on the whole front part of his foot, not just the ball.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: So those are little things that you look for. But to me these little things are part of the whole animal. And I watch for the, let’s call it, “falling leaf” type item on every investigation I go on. I’ll be going on a couple of expeditions this Spring and Fall, and I’ll bet that there’s gonna be the little things that show up, if we, as we usually do, encounter some kind of manifestation of the creature’s presence.

DB: Yeah.

Fuzzy: So those were the two things that I wanted to talk to you about. The paranormal aspect of this terminating line of footprints, that there doesn’t seem to be any other explanation for other than perhaps him being picked up somehow by some kind of arial craft of some kind, silent of course, and then dropped down again over 100’ away, and then picked up again and dropped down again over 25’ away across a gully.

DB: Right.

Fuzzy: If he has these abilities, why bother to walk through the snow at all? Why not just fly? And if he has the ability to fly at all, why fool around dumping garbage cans over and eating pork chops? That’s the paranormal part of it. And then it’s corroborated by the fact that he seemed to be dragging along icicles on the lower hairs on his feet.

DB: Umm!

Fuzzy: Which is something that a hoaxer, or any other kind of an animal just wouldn’t have. You know, we can’t think of any other way that those sort of things would have been created, those little pencil holes down into the snow.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

DB: Right! Well, it is definitely a story that disturbs a lot of bigfoot researchers, that kind of story. I mean, there’s the famous.. and I don’t know if this is actually a true story, but at least it’s an anecdote, that René Dahinden went out to an area where there were footprints in the snow, just as you describe, and they stopped. And Dahinden asks the lady who brought him there, “Well, where do they go from here?” And she just points up into the sky, like maybe it got on a UFO or something. But she didn’t say anything.

Fuzzy: Yeah.

DB: And he just whips around on his heel and leaves, and never thinks about it again.

Fuzzy: Um hmm.

DB: And that’s the way that most bigfoot researchers will treat that story. I don’t think that’s the way they would treat the evidence (if they saw it). It’s really hard to, you know, deny the evidence when it’s right in front of you.

Fuzzy: Um hmm.

DB: And that’s why I think these are important cases. Because, I’ve come to really wonder if there isn’t something different about these creatures. I mean, I had one very close encounter -- I didn’t see it, so I can’t call it a sighting, but the guy who was with me saw it. I just happened to have my back turned to it and didn’t turn around fast enough. But it went from where my companion saw it into a really thick briar patch. And once it went into that briar patch, it didn’t make any sound, and we were right over to that briar patch, you know, not very long after it passed through it. There was no visible sign of it ever going into that briar patch. You couldn’t see how it could have gotten into that briar patch, or that anything had moved through it. But that’s where it had gone. He had seen it go into the briar patch, and then, you know, he lost sight of it. To me.. I had a lot of trouble with that. If we try to go into that briar patch, it’s grabbing ahold of our clothes and we’re making a clear trail that we went into it.

Fuzzy: Not to mention getting perforated by the briars!

DB: Yeah! I mean, maybe bigfoot’s got tough skin, and the hair keeps him from really getting as much of that, but you should still see some evidence that it passed through there, I think. Now the only thing that I could think of that might explain it was that he’s taller than we are and he’s stepping over a lot of it and we just haven’t gone far enough in there to see where he might have started a trail. But it didn’t look like that. I could look pretty darn far into the briars, and there was never a place where it looked like.. I mean it just didn’t look like anything had gone in there.

Fuzzy: Well an extension of that description is the one that relates to its ability to crash along through the woods like a locomotive, making all the noises..

DB: ..and suddenly go completely silent.

Fuzzy: Yeah. And then suddenly silent, and then not be there anymore. Suddenly you can hear him moving away from behind you, in some other direction entirely.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: How did he get from here to there? Was there more than one of them?

DB: Yeah.

Fuzzy: He has the ability to do these things, as I said in my list to you, that seem to incorporate paranormal or super-sensory abilities, getting into the infrared and of course infrasound, and other key phrases everyone is trying to struggle with at the moment.

DB: Well I have a habit of speculating based on books that I read, and I have an idea from that.. and there’s, you know, no kind of proof for it at all. And as I said recently on the radio show [Sasquatch Watch Radio], I’m willing to entertain any idea, with the emphasis on the word “entertain.” So that’s like, the ideas come over and we have a party but at the end of the night they all have to go home. So this is that kind of thing, except that this is something that scientists are beginning to get into. In fact I’m just now reading a book, I think it was released a few years ago, by a popular science writer, who is also himself a physicist, named Michio Kaku. This book is called Parallel Worlds, and I’ve read about this before in other books and articles. Scientists have considered, and may have, actually, some evidence, that there are multiple universes, which are all in the same place.. it’s like, you know, here I am sitting in my house, but in this same space, although not accessible to me, there is another universe, and possibly many other universes. If, for instance, we just grant that, okay? A big leap! But if bigfoot, and some other creatures.. you know they would not have to have any other kind of advanced technology or anything, but if they just have some innate ability to phase in and out from one universe to the next, that might explain some of the things that we’re talking about. You know, there’s an inconvenient thing I have to walk through in this universe, but I don’t have to stay here, I can go to another universe where maybe that inconvenient thing doesn’t exist. And I’ll come back into this universe when I’ve passed the inconvenient thing.

Fuzzy: Hmm. That brings to mind UFOs too. If we have to get into the paranormal, because you are getting way into the paranormal now.

DB: Well that wouldn’t be paranormal. The fact is that no scientist would ever say to you that a creature could phase from one universe to the other, because they don’t have any kind of evidence of that. But they do have evidence that leads them to parallel universes. It’s the dark matter and dark energy, that we know makes up 90% of our own universe, or at least shows gravitational effects in our universe. One of the theories is that the dark matter is the gravitational effects from the other parallel universes. The gravity is affecting us, but of course the matter is not actually present in our universe. It’s just that gravity, if it were.. gosh I wish I could remember which book it was that I read because you might find this a really entertaining thing to read. It has to do with the theory that much of gravity’s effects are spread out in between all the universes. And so that accounts for the 90% of the matter that we can’t find. It’s not actually in this universe, it’s in other universes that are in the same spot as our universe, but since they are in a different.. I don’t even know how you would describe that (laughing)..

Fuzzy: Maybe it’s the glue that holds all these parallel universes together?

DB: Right, it’s the gravity, it’s all in common -- that is, every universe experiences the same gravity. Now that’s not a mature theory, that’s something that some physicists have thrown out there, and I don’t know that anybody is nibbling on it, maybe because it leads to the kind of crazy things that we’re talking about now!

Fuzzy: Right.

DB: But it is something that they are talking about.

Fuzzy: Well they run right smack into a cold stare from the people they are talking to when they get into this sort of thing. Now I don’t advocate any connection between bigfoot and UFOs, although there’s a lot of evidence for it, there’s a lot of stories out there right now on the internet about it, but it just happens that in this same era, this same year, this same really rough winter, in Maryland and Pennsylvania that year, that one of the very first accounts that we encountered was in a town just over the Pennsylvania border, where a couple of the typical little old ladies were driving home in a snowfall, and they stopped on a hill to look down on the little valley, and how pretty it was. It looked like a postcard. And it did, ‘cause I was there later. They looked up the hill and there were a couple of bigfoot standing in the mouth of a 20’ deep opening in the cliff, like a cave. A very short and shallow cave. And now here’s one of the “little things.” And this is what we investigators look for. Two little old ladies, who never even heard of bigfoot. They stop on the crest of this hill to look into the valley. The one in the passenger seat, I can’t remember her name anymore, looks up the hill, and it was about, I don’t know, about 100’ up the slope, and sees these characters standing there. One of them is larger than the other, quite a bit larger than the other. They have brown, and reddish brown long hair on them, at least a foot long, they said they were real long, particularly on their arms. But here’s the little thing. They were swaying back and forth.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: In unison. One was shorter than the other, probably a female, though it was a little bit too great a distance for them to determine that considering the length of the hair.
But the two creatures were swaying back and forth. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to the zoo that has elephants or giraffes or other large animals like that..

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: ..but they frequently stand there, either by themselves or with others, and they just kind of sway back and forth, to kind of keep things going, I guess, and that’s what these things were doing.

DB: Yeah.

Fuzzy: And why would a little old lady who never heard of bigfoot mention this, that they were swaying back and forth? That one was bigger than the other, that they didn’t have any necks, their heads looked like they were just sitting down on their shoulders? And the hair -- because there was a light breeze, the hair on the one’s arm, which was on the outside of the pair of them, was blowing out to the side. They could see this rust colored hair blowing out to the side. Well they didn’t stop to try to enumerate or to measure the length of the hair. They screamed and they drove off to their home, and got their husbands. The husbands, of course, geared up and came back with rifles and all this, and the creatures were gone. I stood in that cave. It was about 8 or 10’ high at the opening, and it tapered rather quickly back to about 10’ deep. And there were icicles, stalactite type icicles hanging from the top of the opening, and they had been broken off and smashed on the ground there, so the creatures could stand there, I guess. And there were smudged up footprints all over the place, the snow was all packed down. So that was several little things: the color, the length of the hair, the lack of neck, the breeze blowing the hair out to the side, and the creatures swaying back and forth, that two little old ladies that never heard of bigfoot saw. That was the first report we had that year.

DB: Uh huh.

Fuzzy: And that was in a little town called Railroad Pennsylvania. I asked the environmentalist and bigfoot researcher that I was working with at the time, if he had ever considered any UFO connections with bigfoot, and he kind of squashed the idea, “Oh no, I don’t think there’s any connection between the two. Bigfoot’s an animal and UFO’s are, I don’t know what.” About a week and a half later, a disk about 20’ in diameter sat down on the blacktop roadway in Railroad Pennsylvania and set the blacktop on fire as it sat there. And then it picked up and flew away.

DB: Huh!

Fuzzy: And then a couple days later, the road department came out and lifted out that whole section of blacktop and replaced it. It was in the local newspaper. Now there’s a connection between the two. Right away you jump into the paranormal. A bigfoot sighting here, and then all of a sudden there’s a UFO sighting there less than a couple of weeks later. I don’t know if there’s any connection between the two, maybe it’s just that when we encounter one phenomenon, that our eyes are opened and we become more sensitive. I’ve seen that in UFO research, where somebody sees a UFO and then they’re looking up and looking all around, they see other UFOs too. And unfortunately, if you see more than one UFO, or more than one bigfoot, there’s a tendency to have the debunkers point at them and say, “See, how many are they going to see now? They’re just faking it, they’re hoaxing it.”

END OF PART ONE. Continue to part two.